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ltcpmax — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:12:44 -0000

Gee Orion. for a guy with a TS/C clearance, who was stationed at a base... why did you misspell the name of the base? DEVENS.
But sure, I believe you.

And YES, folks that join the NG.. go to same basic tng (if enlisted) programs as AD, and for last 12+ years...I cannot imagine a troop going through 16-36 weeks of some type of training (INFANTRY? ARMOR? CAV? ADA?) without being told repeatedly and directly that they are being trained for combat or combat support. ALL NG units are so designated. I will admit that some of these folks could have willfully deluded themselves. I was in Guard unit for about 2 yrs after AD ARMY for 8, and it was up front and direct, "be ready" and we trained that way.

LTCPMAX

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » 60 Minutes - Soliders Ask for Redress (VIDEO)

Ron Williams — Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:24:23 -0000

From the few times I've talked to you, I've found you to be a nice person, but there are a few things in this article I must go against you on.

First is your statement that "You do NOT have the right to speak out against the Commander in Chief in a time of war." This is not so, unless a statement presents a "clear and present danger" then an individual has the right to say it.

Second you stated "All I can say to these fricking wussies is STFU! There’s no crying in war!." In rebuttal to this, read the beginning of the first section. To serve in Iraq for two tours is honorable. In fact, for them to not support the war and yet not desert is even more honorable. I don't believe that names should be slung against individuals for simply saying that they don't agree with a war that has in mine and many others eyes simply stagnated into the next Vietnam, especially when they've done two tours of duty.

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » 60 Minutes - Soliders Ask for Redress (VIDEO)

orion — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:30:47 -0000

Max: You really think those who joined the National Guard thought they'd be fighting in Iraq? Get a clue, bud.

Ms: Sorry, I am a vet. Vietnam area. MOS: Administration. Basic Training and AIT: Fort Dix, NJ. Assigned to: US Army Security Agency, Fort Devons, MA (now closed). Clearance: Top Secret with Cryptographic Access. Responsibilities: Courier. Missions: (secret). Still don't believe? It figures. And I really don't care.

Never heard of the 'economic draft?' Really? Read on:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/War_Peace/Eco...

Wow, you guys are way off in your viewpoints but sure good at name calling, lol!

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » 60 Minutes - Soliders Ask for Redress (VIDEO)

ltcpmax — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:25:57 -0000

ORION: you once again log in to demonstrate a profound lack of understanding of the issue as well as inability to process complex subject matter. AND, now you are apparently suddenly claiming veteran status in a lame attempt to gain credibility.

ACTUAL MILITARY VETERAN OPINION: When you raise your right hand and put on the boots...you surrender MANY of the rights and privileges of the civilian populace. One of them is the right to publicly criticize the Commander in Chief. Civil Dissent and voting/supporting candidates is acceptable, but never in uniform. Attacks on the ethics, intelligence, or motives of the President are NOT topics for discussion by his staff. AND That means members of the military.

I agree with several other posters here: no military organization is a democracy...we exist to PROTECT the democracy. Individual members do not get to chose their assignments or the mission. Leaders are followed, which is part of your oath of enlistment or commissioning.

My major gripe has also been previously mentioned by others... this is being played within the media as a HUGE movement of opposition. No statistical facts are presented or a balance offered to illustrate the Pro WAR, Pro PRESIDENT, Pro IRAQI Freedom SUPPORTIVE opinions of the great majority of the troops.

No mention of the statistic that desertions and AWOL events are actually LOWER Than historical averages?

I find it insulting and ridiculous when people claim that when they joined the military, either as active or reserve/guard, they had "no idea" they could be sent into war, or were "promised" by the recruiter that they would never go anyplace dangerous.... Good Golly Private Benjamin... you really thought we all got the condos and sailboats?

MAX (6, actual), Out.

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » 60 Minutes - Soliders Ask for Redress (VIDEO)

LittleOleLady — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:35:55 -0000

While I am not a vet, nor have I ever been in the military, even I understand that when people join the military there is always a chance they will die whether it is in combat or otherwise. The idea that someone goes in to the military NOT understanding that makes me doubt the reason they went in to begin with.

“Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men.”-General George Patton

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » 60 Minutes - Soliders Ask for Redress (VIDEO)

MsUnderestimated — Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:39:37 -0000

Orion, you are NOT a vet, and never have been. You're a pathological liar and a scab on this planet.

Please also explain "economic draft." You're a freakin' mental midget.

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » 60 Minutes - Soliders Ask for Redress (VIDEO)

orion — Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:53:36 -0000

Sorry pal, I'm a vet and I feel sorry for those caught in this 'economic draft.'

Support the mission? What mission? It's over, Bush blew it. Wake up.

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » 60 Minutes - Soliders Ask for Redress (VIDEO)

Ron — Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:41:17 -0000

As a combat veteran of Vietnam and the father of Sgt Ronn Cantu I know what his concerns are and only his. When he is told that the rules of engagement are not to engage the enemy until they fire first. Also, just before leaving for his second Iraq tour in December he was told the new policy was that they had to fill out paperwork for everyone that they shoot. I can only assume that this is to blame the trooper for the failures of command. I know when I was in the mix, I just had to kill as many as possible. As I write this he is outside the wire and being considered for promotion.

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » 60 Minutes - Soliders Ask for Redress (VIDEO)

Rob — Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:23:35 -0000

The media never miss an opportunity to show service people looking like victims or predators, especially if there is a Republican in the White House.
I will give these folks the benefit of the doubt however it is sad that they let themselves be used by the left-wing media which is nakedly shilling for the Democratic Party.

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » 60 Minutes - Soliders Ask for Redress (VIDEO)

antimedia — Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:33:32 -0000

Hey onion, you dumbass. In case you haven't figured it out yet, we already enlisted. Birdbrain.

When's the last time YOU did anything for this country lameass?

For those veterans who want to get involved, you can sign my Appeal For Redress petition. (Two can play this game.)

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ar96892/

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » 60 Minutes - Soliders Ask for Redress (VIDEO)

Howard — Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:31:29 -0000

Orion, you are a no-kidding real life fruitcake. Dissent is alright. After all, I'm dissenting to your idiot ideas. Just shut up.

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » 60 Minutes - Soliders Ask for Redress (VIDEO)

orion — Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:24:44 -0000

Baloney! This criminal we call a President needs to be called out! NEVER call out a President in the time of war? What are you a lemming? This is no 'war' and this is no 'President.'

If you guys are that outraged. Don't sign stupid petitions-get away from you cozy computer chair and ENLIST YOURSELF!

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » 60 Minutes - Soliders Ask for Redress (VIDEO)

jim — Mon, 26 Feb 2007 04:28:05 -0000

Hang um high

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » 60 Minutes - Soliders Ask for Redress (VIDEO)

Richard1 — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:45:06 -0000

If anyone is interested, there is an appeal military members can sign who support the mission:

www.appealforcourage.org