DISQUS

bigbingtheory · 3 years ago

"If I hear disproportionate force, one more time I'm going to lose it.."
I think she lost "it." A long time ago.

MsUnderestimated · 3 years ago

That's not called losing "it;" it's called losing patience at the continuous drumbeat of a mantra that makes no sense whatsoever.

bigbingtheory · 3 years ago

To you maybe. Tell me are you tolerant of any idea that you don't agree with? Thee are always two sides to the story and there are few instances in life where we have the luxury of things being in black and white. Thee is an argument and a legitimate one to be made that Israel is over reacting or at the least reacting the wrong way.

americanleader · 3 years ago

bigbingtheory: MsUnderestimated is correct. When liberals, who cannot use logic to defend logically indefensible positions, resort to puny-minded nonsensical mantras which they repeat ad nauseum, it doesn't take long to lose patience at such infantile tactics (which are inherently insulting to the interviewer as well as the audience) being used by someone who clearly wishes to be treated as an adult despite their use of crybaby tactics.

bigbingtheory · 3 years ago

With all due respect americanleader you used a lot of words but didn't say a whole except you find liberals to be illogical. I'm not saying this to try to be insulting, (though I'm kind of insulted by your post) but perhaps your belief that it is illogical or defensible is really your not willing to accept or are unwilling to try to understand where we are coming from. An example might be the tired mantras of the right that include, "the Democrats have no plan." If I'm right you probably said out loud "they don't" or at least thought it when you read that. However that is not true. There are many plans for everything from troop redployment in Iraq to fixing our reputation abroad as it has been weakened by the current administration. I'd like an example of your interpretation of "mantras" which the you believe liberals to use when tryinto illogically defend the "indefensible." That's a pretty bold charge to not back it up.

MsUnderestimated · 3 years ago

Bing, you are not answering the question about "plans." You say the Democrats have a plan for troop redeployment and fixing our reputation abroad. Those are not plans - they are ideas. Exactly how will the Democrats achieve those goals ? That's what's missing here.

Oh, mantras? Try "culture of corruption," "truth to power," "we have a better way," and many more. Those are mantras; i.e., repetitious mutterings that have absolutely no meaning at all.

bigbingtheory · 3 years ago

"disproportionate force" is a term I have only heard of through blogs like this one. So if it is a mantra, who is repeating it? As is the case here. Laura is the one who says it, obviously implying that's what democrats say. I get the literature in the mail, the e-alerts and listen to liberal talk radio and haven't heard the phrase used that much. If you pay close attention, a lot of the mantras we supposedly use as an argument, we don't. I've said it before we aren't that organized. Most of the 2 or 3 word phrases that get repeated ad nauseum are from right wing pundits claiming democrats say it all the time. It's a convenient way to frame how the pundit wants their audience to see the dems argument. That is one of the ways people like Laura divide the citizenry.
Plans,
yes those are ideas I mentioned. And by that standard I could ask what is Bush's plan exactly?
You can see the dems agenda at Democrats.org. For the meat and potatoes you'll have to read the failed legislation they've been trying to introduce. For that you have to go to the congressional records. It's dry reading but it's there. The truth is the Democrats do have plans and ideas and they have been succesfully stifled by an increasingly unpopular congress. Trust me, I have beefs with my party but one thing they are not short on is ideas and plans. It's convenient to attach a stigma to a group of people indeed powerless in the federal government. We've been offering alternatives for 5 years that have gone ignore, from honoring our commitment to the Kyoto accords, to plans for Social Security, Energy policy and nothing comes of it because right now the Republicans control everything. You might not like the plans or ideas they have but they are there.